“I never care who you sleep with, I really do not care how or how you recognize as this concept of telling persons to get analyzed and conversing to them about prevention is for every person. And just for the reason that you go and get an HIV test or go consider an HIV examination does not signify that there is a issue with you.” Karl chats with stigma warrior and activist Dee Conner about her HIV journey.
Driving out stigma campaign can be observed right here.
The subsequent is a transcript concerning Karl and Dee.
DEE
Stigma is a person of the large parts in the black neighborhood.
KARL
Good day there. Welcome to furthermore speak on in addition Lifetime, the place we’re all about turning beneficial into a moreover. My visitor now uses the term favourable positivity in her identify. It’s Dee Conner. Good to see you. My fellow HIV Stigma Warrior.
DEE
Great to see you far too, Karl. Superior to see you.
KARL
We’ve bought a great deal to discuss about. Let’s jump into it. You had been identified HIV favourable in 1997. You had been just 27 many years old. You and I have that in frequent. I’m the exact same age. Oh, okay. What did you, what, what did you know about HIV and AIDS at that time and what had been some of the problems that you confronted as a single black mom?
DEE
Ooh, Karl. I did not know everything about HIV or AIDS. I did not know anything about it. I tell everybody it was a matter the place you just know from listening to it on tv set, Eazy and Magic Johnson, which is all I realized. I understood very little else about it.
KARL
Convey to me about those very first number of days.
DEE
Oh, they have been terrible. I was fearful. I was confused since I didn’t realize how I contracted HIV and I just felt misplaced. You know? I felt lost and I, and, and with me, I usually hear men and women say, you know, oh, who’s gonna enjoy me once more? That was not my thought. My thought was, who’s gonna take care of my daughter? That was my only issue due to the fact I was so near to my 6-calendar year-aged daughter, I was worried that someone else was gonna have to elevate her. That was my only concern.
KARL
Hindsight is a great factor. Now, in, in where you are in your lifetime currently, when you believe back again and appear at those people moments, how do you truly feel? How do you put it all alongside one another being aware of what you know now?
DEE
Oh my gosh. I normally tell people today, if I understood what I realized now, I probably wouldn’t have been trapped in depression. I possibly wouldn’t have became an alcoholic. I in all probability would’ve been ready to are living my lifetime a good deal a lot more in different ways if I knew what I knew now. You know, if I knew then what I know now, matters would’ve been absolutely diverse. So 18 decades, 18 yrs, I, I sulked mainly.
KARL
What do you know now that you want persons who were in your placement that time, all that time ago, what do you want them to know that you know now that would make it all incredibly unique?
DEE
That there’s very little to be concerned of, that you can dwell with HIV, that you’re absolutely nothing unique than what you had been right before you discovered out about your prognosis. I know now that choose my medication, I can reside a lengthy, balanced existence. Really don’t be worried or acquire what other people set on HIV in the environment and put it on you, due to the fact then that turns into internalized stigma. So as extensive as we enjoy who we are and the pores and skin that we’re in, and really do not pay notice to the outside planet about how they watch HIV, you will stay a very good everyday living.
KARL
You and you. Do you genuinely? Yeah. It is a excellent message and you do this kind of very good do the job and you’ve, you know, manufactured a great quick film, but this message as easy as actually as it is, is however not being read by users of your group. Why is that? And inform me about some of the get the job done that you and all the wonderful people all around you are undertaking to make positive that this is turning out to be one thing they recognize.
DEE
Ok, so as you see me, I’m a black female who life with HIV. We are 58% of the diagnosis out of all females in the us. And it, it starts with stigma. Stigma is one of the big items in the black community, but not only that, the social determinants of overall health, access to care, poverty, homelessness, it’s, it’s a entire big piece when it comes to residing with HIV in the community that, that I’m from. And, and so HIV is a taboo. No person needs to chat about it. And I truly feel, I really feel that it comes from the eighties or the nineties, even now, when people in the black neighborhood find out that you are gay, they get HIV and they assume it is a a gay, a gay factor, but it is not. It’s in everybody’s situation. It’s in everyone’s issue, but no one sees it as that. So as before long as you say HIV, now men and women have inquiries, specially being a lady dwelling with HIV. So wherever did you get it? How did you get it? Who did you get it from? And you never look like you have HIV. So how is HIV meant to glimpse Karl
Like this, like that?
Like me and you,
Like me and you like our sisters and our brothers and our dad and mom and our pastors at church and even our medical doctors who consider treatment of us, proper? Yep,
Yep.
KARL
But it’s continue to not acquiring by way of. The greatest difficulty is you stated black gals disproportionately, the rates of an infection are bigger. How do you start out that discussion with persons in your group to start out normalizing it? Wherever does that start out? How do you do it? Due to the fact we have received you equals you undetectable equals untransmittable. We’ve got all these fantastic advocates like by yourself, BrYan C. Jones, Bruce, Richman there’s a good deal of men and women out there carrying out it, but we’re nonetheless not cracking the code.
DEE
I say taking our faces and putting a face to HIV, in particular in the black community, is gonna assistance demonstrate people in the black group that you can stay with HIV, and that there’s absolutely nothing for anybody to be fearful of. Frequently educating, continually putting our voices out there, frequently generating strategies to access individuals in the black local community, putting that information out there that they want to be analyzed. Prevention. We just have to continually hold undertaking this in excess of and above once more. And you do arrive at people and I say, as extensive as we access a single or two, we’re executing our position. Due to the fact then people 1 or two folks will go and they’ll explain to anyone else what they figured out and then individuals men and women will go convey to other folks what they’ve discovered. So it’s like a ripple effect. It is not a large ripple outcome, but as prolonged as we can access a person, it is gonna make a variation.
KARL
Yeah. It all starts with that a single discussion. What do you want your brothers and sisters to know about prevention as treatment and about testing? What’s the message you want them to hear about these two issues?
DEE
Avoidance as cure. Which is you equals you, Karl, that’s my most favourite campaign, my beloved message for the reason that it, it can take a fat off of all of us who are dwelling with HIV. But not only that, it is supporting men and women to get tested due to the fact now they know if they have contracted HIV, that they can dwell a great daily life. So it’s aiding people to wanna get examined and to wanna get into treatment. So I’ll continually converse about you equals you, I’ll hardly ever stop speaking about it.
KARL
Yeah. And Dee think an crucial thing to stage out, and I’ve been expressing this a lot recently, is you never have to walk into a clinic any longer to go and to get examined, correct?
DEE
Nope. Nope. You really don’t have to wander in a clinic. You can go to your well being department’s web site, they can send you an HIV exam, you can send out it back again. It is just as straightforward as that. Yeah, which is, it’s that simple.
KARL
And Dee, as you ended up declaring earlier there, a whole lot of people today just even now consider of this as a homosexual dude’s condition. And we know in your local community there is a ton of adult men who have intercourse with adult males who don’t identify as homosexual. How do we get this messaging by means of to them devoid of them experience like, I guess their masculinity is getting identified as into question for the reason that of outdated sights on homosexuality and things like that.
DEE
I do not care who you sleep with, I really don’t treatment how or how you discover as this information of telling people to get tested and chatting to them about avoidance is for anyone. And just mainly because you go and get an HIV test or go acquire an HIV exam does not necessarily mean that there is a issue with you. Everyone in the neighborhood needs to, wants to have an HIV test. I simply cannot really definitely, I’m gonna be honest with you, remedy that issue since I’m not a gentleman, I’m not a homosexual male. I’m not a gentleman who identifies as sleeping with males. I just can’t, I can only get to them by placing a deal with to HIV and allowing them know that if they have contracted it, that it’s ok and that they can dwell a extended lifestyle. It’s just challenging for me to genuinely respond to that issue for you mainly because I’m not a male.
KARL
Honest enough. You, yeah, I, I hear what you are stating there. Chat to me about the Driving Out stigma marketing campaign that you released in 2019, what that is about and how it functions.
DEE
Effectively, I arrived up with this marketing campaign driving out stigma. I acquired the neighborhood to jump driving me. People who donated, I established a magnet, put it on the card. We experienced magnets all in the auto having tested, U equals U I necessarily mean, no matter what you could assume of there. The auto was whole of magnets. And then in the back of the window it claimed U equals U. Do you know U equals U Then a person dwelling with HIV can not transmit. And then it experienced a phone selection and prevention accessibility campaigns website, and we did, we ended up supposed to do two weeks of southern states. And why we did this, Karl, it was simply because we preferred to get to communities in the South to enable them know about you equals you to quit and have discussion stations with people today, even at the fuel station, due to the fact when you carry this focus to this automobile, people today needed to talk to us what have been we performing? And so that is how we struck, struck strike up discussions to converse about HIV in the community. We experienced an function someplace each and every time we went, we went to a AIDS wander in Louisiana. They gave us a cost-free desk to speak about why we have been there, and we spoke with people today about it. We had a, a luncheon in Atlanta with gals. We had another 1 in Baton Rouge. So every point out we went to, we, we, we achieved anything.
KARL
Dee Connor, thank you for creating the time. And again, thank you for all the excellent perform that you do in the field in sharing your fact and all of that as very well.
DEE
Thank you, Karl. Thank you for owning me.
KARL
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